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The video of my debate with an atheist is now
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William Lane Craig – South Africa Debates, part 1: vs. Yusuf Islam on “Identifying Jesus: Is He Man or both God and Man?”

William Lane Craig – South Africa Debates, part 1: vs. Yusuf Islam on “Identifying Jesus: Is He Man or both God and Man?”

William Lane Craig recently engaged in two notable debates in South Africa: Capetown and Pretoria. He states that, “Professional recordings of all the debates and conference talks were made and will be disseminated throughout South Africa”; hopefully they will find their way into cyberspace.

As for the Islam vs. Christianity debate:

…about a thousand people crowded the auditorium that night. The debate was anything but dull!
What Ismail (who is a lawyer by profession) may lack in substance he makes up in a robustious delivery, with lots of grandstanding and theatrics. By the time we reached the rebuttals, he had pretty much exhausted what substance he had, and so he began to throw out lots of red meat to his partisans in the crowd, offering the usual Muslim talking points like the inauthenticity of 1 John 5.7, at which they began to shout Islamic slogans.
In my rebuttal I rebuked them, saying that they ought to be ashamed of themselves for cheering for such irrelevant and fallacious arguments. I hammered home my positive case for Jesus' deity, which Ismail could not answer, and in my closing speech gave a strong evangelistic appeal to the Muslims in the crowd. It was a great evening and a strong witness for Christ.1

William Lane Craig, Yusuf Ismail, South Africa, Debates, true freethinker.jpg

Moreover,

In preparation for the debate I discovered that Ismail will use any argument he can find against Christianity, even if it also implies the falsity of Islam. For example, he uses all the drivel popular on the internet about Jesus' being a mythological figure drawn from pagan religions of antiquity.
Never mind that the Qur'an itself teaches that that Jesus was the greatest of all the prophets who had ever lived, that he was miraculously conceived and born of the Virgin Mary, that he himself performed miracles, and that he was indeed the Messiah!
In order to pre-empt any such appeal to pagan mythology to dismiss the deity of Jesus, I explained in my opening speech that contemporary studies of the historical Jesus have come to recognize that pagan mythology is simply the wrong interpretive context for understanding Jesus…

when you do read the original myths, you find that they're not really parallel to the Gospels at all and that all the supposed parallels are concocted and spurious….based upon pseudo-scholarship which is more than 100 years out of date…

With nothing much of relevance to say, Ismail then turned to doling out the red meat!2

Of interest may be the Avatar based metaphor that William Lane Craig employed:

I explained the doctrine of Christ's being one person who has two natures and used the movie Avatar to illustrate the doctrine. ("Avatar" is another word for incarnation.) The movie tells the story of Jake Sully, a disabled marine who becomes an avatar among a race of extra-terrestrials called the Na'vi. He becomes physically incarnated among them as one of them.
At the same time he doesn't cease to be human. So Jake has both a human nature and a Na'vi nature. In the movie these two natures have strikingly different powers. If you were to ask, "Can Jake Sully run?" the answer would have to be, "Yes and no: yes, in his Na'vi nature but no, in his human nature."
I told the audience that if you can make sense of Avatar, you can make sense of Christ's incarnation. For in a similar way, Christ has both a divine nature and a human nature. These natures have different powers. In his human nature Christ experienced all the limitations intrinsic to human nature. But in his divine nature he had supernatural powers. Just as Jake Sully in his Na'vi nature became the Savior of the Na'vi people, so Christ in his human nature becomes the Savior of mankind.

  1. 1. William Lane Craig, “Reasonable Faith Newsletter - May 2010,” Reasonable Faith, copyright 2007 Reasonable Faith. All rights reserved worldwide
  2. 2. William Lane Craig, “Debate with Yusuf Ismail,” Reasonable Faith, additional from the June '10 ReasonableFaith.org Newsletter, copyright 2007 Reasonable Faith. All rights reserved worldwide
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CHRISTIAN JR4 's presumptions and fallacious reasoning

Saviour (not verified) — Wed, 06/30/2010 - 4:57pm

You are a presumptious fool. I am NOT a Muslim fo your information. Just because someone disagrees with you, does not mean they are NOt christian. your arrogace knows no bounds. CRAIG was a MAJOR disappointment for all of us. McDowell might have done a better job

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For the record, I would urge

Saviour (not verified) — Sun, 06/27/2010 - 5:34am

For the record, I would urge you to view the entire debate, which i am informed that antwoord and ipci (Co-hosts) intend posting on youtube. I entirely disagree with Ismail's position, but I feel that Craig could have done a better job in debate. most of the christian attendants were disappointed by Craig who seemed to be ill-prepared particularly at the Question & answer session. Ismail talks in quick soundbytes and makes a better debater even though his facts may not be entirely correct. The above debate was one of Craig's worst performances........,.you have to see it to realise it! the audience were GOBSMACKED by his AVATAR analogy. that was the point when it started going downhill for DR CRAIG

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Saviour's ridiculous comment

ChristianJR4 (not verified) — Thu, 06/24/2010 - 7:56pm

Judging by how Dr. Craig normally performs in his debates, he probably didn't lose, and if he did, he certainly wasn't defeated in the way the above comment makes it out to be. My guess would be that the commentator above is a Muslim. In my experience, I tend to find many Muslims totally incapable of rationally assessing the outcome of a debate objectively. Instead they just always assert that their side won. If Dr. Ismail were to come to this debate and say absolutely nothing at all you'd still probably here some Muslims claiming he won.

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CRAIG LOST THIS DEBATE

Saviour (not verified) — Sat, 06/19/2010 - 4:44pm

I was present at the debate, and i must say i was deeply disappointed with Dr Craig's performance. He was outshone and outsmarted by Ismail in every respect. i do believe that the organisers will be posting the debate on youtube, for the world to see the outright DEFEAT of Dr Craig

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Pretty good post. I just

rolex (not verified) — Wed, 06/16/2010 - 11:19pm

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Welcome to IdolReplicas.com

rolex (not verified) — Wed, 06/16/2010 - 11:10pm

Welcome to IdolReplicas.com for breitling

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jesus god or man?

Anonymous (not verified) — Thu, 06/10/2010 - 3:48pm

I don't think that many peple agree with brother craig. It seems like he has the perception that he won the debate but I think he should know better. He en almost all christian brothers lack true evidence to proof their point of view. Which makes them very weak in debates like this.

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Wow, that Avatar analogy is

bossmanham (not verified) — Tue, 06/08/2010 - 10:39am

Wow, that Avatar analogy is strikingly simple to understand. Kudos to Craig for thinking of it.

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