Science Club of Long Island

In seeking to open dialogue and provide information to the Science Club of Long Island I, very quickly, discovered that its founder, president and publisher, Oleg Dei, is a rather fiery person who appears to run the Science Club of Long Island as an anti-Christian support group.

In part, the Science Club of Long Island’s mission statement states:

It is our mission at the Science Club of Long Island Inc. to bring the current scientific accomplishments and breakthroughs and make them available to the general community at no cost…Topics range from astronomy, evolution, biology, genetics, medicine and physics and other science disciplines.

Overall, the mission statement does not, in the least bit, elucidate why the Science Club of Long Island’s website is exclusively anti-Christian. Their homepage does state that they are “DEDICATED TO PROVIDING SCIENCE EDUCATION TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND DEBUNKING THE SUPERNATURAL.”

They offer various articles related to attempting to discredit the Bible, Jesus and Christianity in general. The main source of research for these is evilbible.com.
In fact, on their home page they reference EVIL BIBLE seven times. This is both their own statement that the Bible is evil (I am not aware how they define “evil”) and it is indicative of their very, very heavy reliance upon anything and everything that is stated in evilbible.com.
Having debunked large portions of evilbible.com (see here) I am well aware that anyone who relies on evilbibe.com is even less scholarly, less informed, less skeptical and much more erroneous than evilbible.com itself.

I will consider specifically debunking their articles although since they rely so very heavily upon evilbible.com; debunking the former equals debunking the latter. One article of interest is “JESUS CHRIST WAS NOT BORN ON DECEMBER 25TH” and could be categorized as: responding to a statement that no one is making.
Another favorite of mine states, “Perhaps James Cameron did more than sink the Titanic in the movie, maybe he sunk Christ the greatest hoax in human history!” and yes, of course, they list “One source: Evil Bible.Com” (see here for James Cameron’s utter failure).

Initially, I was interested in their article, “SLAVERY IS APPROVED BY THE BIBLE!” which was written by “By CHRIS THIEFE AND OLEG DEI” with the obligatory “Source: Evil Bible.Com.” Chris Thiefe runs evilbile.com or rather, he ran it until he got tired of so many people challenging him on his ubiquitous fallacies.

I wrote the following to Oleg Dei expecting that a person of science would be interested in opposing views, reconsidering their own views if need be, and would generally express a wiliness to exchange ideas:

I ran across your page asserting that slavery is approved in the Bible that was cut and pasted from evilbible.com
I wanted to make you aware that I conducted a study of the issue and wrote a point by point response that I know you will find interesting:
Does the Bible and its God Condone Slavery?

I also wrote a companion piece:
Does God Command You to Beat Your Slaves?

In fact, I have done likewise with much of evilbible.com’s content:
Atheism Essays Particular to EvilBible.com
aDios,
Mariano

I received the following response (since I am not sure what the different colors, bold and italics are supposed to convey, I will reproduce them as they were in the email):

Nice name!

Yes, we know you spent a lot of time pasting your little articles together!
The study that you have conducted answers none of the points made, you merely injected your excuses in an effort to explain the atrocities in the Bible.
The Bible was written by ancient barbarians who were merely trying to justify violent times.
However in summary you failed to address the many other points made such as Biblical contradictions, rape, the evil God depicted in the Bible that kills at the drop of a hat.
God would not do that! You missed the illogic of religion, Christ failure to return as promised as well as countless of points made which are too numerous to mention!
You never bothered to study the science articles under the magazine section and conveniently assumed that this was just another atheistic website.
We don’t have to tell you what happens when you assume!
For reasons unknown you pasted a silly section on stupid atheistic T-shirts. How childish!
We agree that atheists contribute very little to the poor but you also fail to recognize that it is the religious nuts that start wars like Hitler and Bush, Christian Crusades, inquisitions on and on!
In addition you failed to recognize that the evolution of science is what being taught in schools as the explanation for man’s origins but merely pasted ridiculous articles of intelligent design that is dismissed by the scientific community as well as all the evidence.
Dinosaurs are no longer here, where they kidnapped by aliens or better question was your reasoning kidnapped by religion? Since the Dinosaurs are no longer here, evolution merely explains the change in the fauna of life!
Now just because people want God to exist, especially us does not mean that he does exist!
We are not atheists that say there is no God!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get your facts straight!
What we are saying based on scientific fact that there is no evidence whatsoever for the existence of
God or any other supernatural phenomenon. Include Ghosts, Bigfoot or little green men from Mars!
People start with the idea that they would like for God to exist and then twist all their thinking around this.
Does not work this way, you have to look were the evidence takes you no matter how uncomfortable
that may be. You don’t built a data base or selection of those facts that support your viewpoint and ignore
everything else! Again you look at all the evidence.
As of now, there is no evidence of a God. If you have some evidence come forward, we know several foundations that will pay a million dollars.
Unfortunately no one has yet claimed the prize!!!!!

SCLI

It is rather odd, or so it seems to me, to state that “The study that you have conducted answers none of the points made” when the only point of my essays was to answer each and every point made—point by point.
Perhaps Oleg Dei meant that my repose was not satisfactory yet, having been engaged in polemics for some time, I discern that it means I take evilbible.com’s word for it, will not practice skepticism, will no conduct further research nor specifically respond to your refutation and thus, I will generically shrug you off.
Note that Science Club of Long Island’s article on slavery in the Bible actually even tops evilbibel.com’s as they pile fallacy upon fallacy by including photos of (recreations of, actually) North American slavery and Kunta Kinte from Roots. Imagine condemning the Bible for that which the Bible condemns and does so by punishing via capital punishment at that.

Well, I wrote back:

Thank you so much for your consideration and getting back to me on this.

If I understand you correctly, I am somehow at fault for not attempting to discredit every single evilbible.com page. Yet, this is fallacious as I wrote to you about the issue of slavery in particular. And while you cut and pasted their assertions into a PDF file I did not paste my essay together but refuted theirs point by point.

Moreover, while you, for some reason, have chosen to un-contextually claim that I failed to address many other points made by evilbible.com such as rape, you would know, via the link that I provided: Atheism Essays Particular to EvilBible.com, that I have done just that—and much more.

What you must consider is that regardless of God’s existence and regardless of the origins of the Bible, the issue is the text of the Bible, whether evilbible.com and you by extension are representing the text correctly, and my refutation of their and your claims.

Your belittlement of myself, general put down of religion in general, references to dinosaurs, aliens, Ghosts, Bigfoot, etc. are irrelevant to our context.

Yet, you may be interested to learn that “The Encyclopedia of Wars” was compiled by nine history professors who specifically conducted research for the text for a decade in order to chronicle 1,763 wars. The survey of wars covers a time span from 8000 BC to 2003 AD. From over 10,000 years of war 123, which is 6.98 percent, are considered to have been religious war.

I discern that you are reacting emotionally to my evidence rather than rationally which is why your response is so very disjointed.
You may want to consider your thoughts as categories and then you will be able to stay on topic and deal with the issue at hand.

Thank you for your time and attention, aDios,
Mariano

The response was rather odd and it was written in a very large font size:

Here is some good articles for you ******* [expletive removed, let us just say that it started with a capital “A”]!
You think Chris Thiefe from Evil Bible is Tough?
I eat stupid dumb*** Christians for lunch! [expletive censored]

Oleg Dei had attached various of the articles that they provide on the website. Here is my response:

Most excellent, thank you for the information.

I will have to look these over and if need be, post responses on my blog.

There is actually one that I was interested in—Bible says - women are inferior to men—which appeared to be peppered with photos of scantly clad women.
I wonder if you could send me the text and just exclude the photos.

Thank you so much and aDios,
Mariano

PS: I do not think that Chris Thiefe is tough at all; that is a faulty inference.

Well, the discussion ended rather abruptly here and I, disappointingly, got yet another taste of an atheist who wears a facade of intellectual and scientific respectability in order to hide an emotional rejection of God and an inability to deal with issues in a scholarly manner.