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Richard Dawkins - Manipulating for Atheism

According to Richard Dawkins I am “lying for Jesus.” No, he was not referring to me in particular but to people like me. I wrote an essay entitled Dawkins Comes Out As An Intelligent Design Proponent!!!. This was based on statement that he made during an interview with Ben Stein for the movie “Expelled.”

Let us begin with the virtually ubiquitous confusion in the neo-atheist movement between “Intelligent Design” and “Creationism.” In God and Earthlings Richard Dawkins wrote:

“All the leading intelligent design spokesmen are devout, and, when talking to the faithful, they drop the science-fiction fig leaf and expose themselves as the fundamentalist creationists they truly are.”

As far as I can tell, this is his best attempt to explain why he and others constantly confuse the matter. However, even on this point he is generic and ultimately fails.
They are “devout,” but devout what? Due to the very fact that Intelligent Design is not Creationism (which specifically refers to a biblical view of origins) Intelligent Design proponents are indeed devout, they are devout atheists, agnostics, Moonies, Jews, Christians, Muslims, et al. Incidentally, Richard Dawkins refers to Intelligent Design proponents as “IDiots.”
May we likewise state, all the leading Darwinian spokesmen are devout, and, when talking to the faithless, they drop the science-facade fig leaf and expose themselves as the fundamentalist atheists they truly are. Prof. Dawkins, and many like him, seek to smuggle atheism into science classrooms in the guise of science (see my essays Protecting the Science Classroom).

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The face on Mars, from the panspermia movie, "Mission to Mars"

The bottom line of the charge of “lying for Jesus” is the issue of Richard Dawkins making statements in favor of directed panspermia. Thus, let us begin by his following statements as introductory of Prof. Dawkins’ view:

“The distinguished molecular biologists Francis Crick and Leslie Orgel advanced a version of the notion, probably tongue in cheek, called ‘Directed Panspermia.’ Life, they argued, could have been ‘seeded’ on the early Earth by a spacecraft packed with bacteria.”

Let us take a moment to clarify this point because there is really no “probably tongue in cheek” about it (
elsewhere, he referred to it as, “semi tongue-in-cheek”).

The alien from "Mission to Mars" who explains the process of panspermia

John Horgan wrote the following in, “In the Beginning…” Scientific American (Vol. 264, February 1991, pp. 116-125. Horgan was the senior writer for Scientific American from 1986 to 1997):

“This theory [panspermia] was proposed at the end of the last century by the Swedish chemist Svante A. Arrhenius, who asserted that microbes floating throughout the universe served as the ‘seeds of life’ on earth…About a decade ago Orgel and Crick managed to provoke the public and their colleagues by speculating that the seeds of life were sent to the earth in a spaceship by intelligent beings living on another planet. Orgel says the proposal, which is known as directed panspermia, was ‘sort of a joke.’ But he notes that it had a serious intent: to point out the inadequacy of all explanations of terrestrial genesis. As Crick once wrote: ‘The origin of life appears to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to be satisfied to get it going.’


The alien from "Mission to Mars" sending off the spores/ships to earth

One year after the above quote was published Scientific American (February 1992, pp. 16-17) featured Crick in the “Profile” section of “The Mephistopheles of Neurobiology,” in which he elucidate this issue thusly (see here for fuller quotes):

“The book [Crick and Orgel’s Life Itself] proposed that the seeds of life were sent to the earth in a spaceship launched by beings on another planet. Called directed panspermia, the theory met with derision from other scientists, and Orgel himself described it recently as ‘sort of a joke.’ But Crick insists that given the weaknesses of all theories of terrestrial genesis, directed panspermia should still be considered ‘a serious possibility.’”


The spore/ship heading towards earth

Now, back to Richard Dawkins’ statements:

“Creationists, by contrast, never miss a trick. When I have raised the science-fiction olive branch to try to argue against them, they have twisted it -- most recently in a movie scheduled to open this week -- in order to proclaim loudly, ‘Dawkins believes in intelligent design after all.’ Or ‘Dawkins believes in little green men in flying saucers.’ Or ‘Dawkins is a Raelian.’ It’s called ‘lying for Jesus,’ and they are completely shameless.”

His point is that when the issue of Intelligent Design is brought up he makes the point that there is no logical or scientific obligation to think that the intelligent designer is God since it could be an alien race and therefore, there is no need to assume the supernatural.


The astronauts amongst various spores/ships

In his article, which is actually entitled Lying for Jesus?, he elucidates the matter thusly:

“[Ben] Stein asked whether I could think of any circumstances whatsoever under which intelligent design might have occurred. It's the kind of challenge I relish, and I set myself the task of imagining the most plausible scenario I could…bending over backwards to make the best case I could for intelligent design, I constructed a science fiction scenario…I was charitable enough to think he [Ben Stein] was an honestly stupid man, sincerely seeking enlightenment from a scientist. I patiently explained to him that life could conceivably have been seeded on Earth by an alien intelligence from another planet…The conclusion I was heading towards was that, even in the highly unlikely event that some such ‘Directed Panspermia’ was responsible for designing life on this planet, the alien beings would THEMSELVES have to have evolved…my science fiction thought experiment -- however implausible -- was designed to illustrate intelligent design's closest approach to being plausible. I was most emphaticaly [sic] NOT saying that I believed the thought experiment. Quite the contrary. I do not believe it (and I don't think Francis Crick believed it either). I was bending over backwards to make the best case I could for a form of intelligent design. And my clear implication was that the best case I could make was a very implausible case indeed. In other words, I was using the thought experiment as a way of demonstrating strong opposition to all theories of intelligent design.”

Neither I nor anyone that I have read claims that Richard Dawkins has abandoned any of his Darwinist theories in favor of an exclusively directed-panspermist-intelligent-design theory. Stating, as I did, that Dawkins came out as an Intelligent Design proponent is not a lie. Primarily, let us note that to lie is not to state something that is incorrect but it is stating something that is incorrect while knowing that it is incorrect, and particularly with an intent to deceive.

Richard Dawkins first pretends to hold to a position that he does not hold.

Based on his statement, statements about him are made about his position.

He then refers to people making statements based on his pretending as liars.

We are not liars rather, Richard Dawkins is a manipulator.

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Mariano (not verified) — Wed, 07/30/2008 - 1:16am

Morius,I am so glad that you are enjoying my chicken scratch :o)I will keep what you recommended.I should say that you may be surprised that Prof. Dawkins really enjoys the Christian arts in particular. For example, you should read where he states, "I'm a cultural Christian." He particularly likes singing Christmas carols and sees in them historical/cultural meaning. I can understand his point but think it odd that he would sing such words while thinking that they are devoid of meaning.I could not you imagine myself singing, "Oh nothing. Oh no-one. Random change explosion. Oh bio-genesis. Lighting stuck a pond. Here we are and then we're gone."aDios,Mariano

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Olorin,Thanks for your

Mariano (not verified) — Mon, 07/28/2008 - 9:15pm

Olorin,Thanks for your readership and comment.A mere assertion does not demonstrate un-contextual quotation.aDios,Mariano

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Hello, I just wanted to tell

Morius (not verified) — Mon, 07/28/2008 - 5:10pm

Hello, I just wanted to tell you, I've read some of your posts and I'm really liking your blog.I think Richard Dawkins is possibly the most overrated atheist out there, he is in fact a hypocrite that doesn't realize he's the atheist equivalent of a religious fanatic.Yet, he says he's the good guy and religious people are the bad guys.One thing that I've realized most (if not all) Richard Dawkins critics have missed are the arts.They all go into a scientific discussion about the existence of God. Dawkins mentioned that the world would've been much better without religion... Well, if there hadn't been any religion in the first place, there wouldn't be such beautiful works of art like la Piet&#a1;, The Last Supper, The Sistine Chapel, The Divine Comedy, and the list goes on and on.Of course, probably Richard Dawkins has never cared about art, I don't think he's ever cared about anything rather than selling his books and making money (just as atheists hate that "the church makes money out of the followers", see the irony?)It would be great if you could make one post that doesn't focus on science, one that you could see such holes in Dawkins' way of thinking from different angles such as arts or philosophy (for example, he always says there's no proof of God and that's why no one should believe. Yet there's no proof of life in other planets either and that doesn't mean there isn't... Something a little hypocritical for him to say after all these panspermia comments).Anyway, keep up the good work!Sincerely,A non-religious person who believes in evolution and also in the existence of a god.

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Two major out-of-context

Olorin (not verified) — Sun, 07/27/2008 - 11:17pm

Two major out-of-context quotes from Dawkins in a single post!Too bad the recipient of the Casey Luskin Award for Prevarication has already been named for 2008. (Well, not named personally, to safeguard his reputation.)

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Dawkins says he tried to

Heresiarch (not verified) — Sun, 07/27/2008 - 7:43pm

Dawkins says he tried to carve an olive branch from science fiction. Seems not to have worked. I'll propose an alternative: www.starlarvae.org

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Professor Dawkins can be

Robin Edgar (not verified) — Sun, 07/27/2008 - 1:26am

Professor Dawkins can be quite justifiably described as an Atheist Supremacist as well. . .'The Atheist Supremacist's Song'aka 'I Am The Very Model Of An Atheist Supremacist'I am the very model of an Atheist SupremacistI'm an Intellectual, Evangelical, Godless EvolutionistI know the crimes of Christians, and I quote their fights historicalFrom Jerusalem to Ireland, in order categoricalI'm very well acquainted, too, with matters biologicalI understand equivocation, both scientific and theologicalAbout the "Holey Bible" I'm teeming with a lot o' newsWith many fearful facts about Christians and the JewsWith many fearful facts about Christians and the JewsWith many fearful facts about Christians and the JewsWith many fearful facts about Christians and those darn JewsI'm very good at bigotry and anti-religious insultsI know the scientific names of beings animalculousIn short, in matters biological, theological, and religiousI am the very model of an Atheist SupremacistIn short, in matters biological, theological, and religiousHe is the very model of an Atheist SupremacistI know God's mythic history, from Osiris to the (Day of Yule)I answer to my critics, I've a petty taste for ridiculeI quote in elegiacs all the crimes of HeliogabalusIn comics I will fight those other gods who are so fabulousI can't tell undoubting Muslims from Bah&#a1;'&#ad;s or ZoroastriansBut know the croaking chorus from those corpse-cold UnitariansThen I can hum a fugue of which I've heard the music's RapicalAnd whistle at the "fairy tales" of infernal nonsense BiblicalAnd whistle at the "fairy tales" of infernal nonsense BiblicalAnd whistle at the "fairy tales" of infernal nonsense BiblicalAnd whistle at the "fairy tales" of infernal nonsense oh so BiblicalThen I can write a bashing book of Biblical enormityAnd tell you ev'ry detail of Creationism's deformityIn short, in matters biological, Biblical, and religiousI am the very model of an Atheist SupremacistIn short, in matters biological, Biblical, and religiousHe is the very model of an Atheist SupremacistIn fact, when I know what is meant by "Babylon" and "churlish"When I can tell at sight a Mormon from a Whirling DervishWhen such affairs as prayers and "crackers" I'm more wary atAnd when I know precisely what is meant by "Eat your hat"When I have learnt what progress has been made in modern funneryWhen I know more of tactlessness than a novice in a nunneryIn short, when I've a smattering of fundamental strategyYou'll say a better atheist had never spat at GYou'll say a better atheist had never spat at GYou'll say a better atheist had never spat at GYou'll say a better atheist had never ever spat at GFor my religious knowledge, though it's narrowy and shallowyHas only been brought down to the early Nineteenth centuryBut still, in matters theological, minimal, and religiousI am the very model of an Atheist SupremacistBut still, in matters theological, minimal, and religiousHe is the very model of an Atheist Supremacist

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THE BIGGER PICTURE IN THE

C. David Parsons (not verified) — Sun, 07/27/2008 - 12:27am

THE BIGGER PICTURE IN THE DEBATE ON DARWINISM IS NOT INTELLIGENT DESIGN. The reason is elementary: the Discovery Institute and other ID proponents leave out the Triune God, Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Hence, Richard Dawkins can make the case for "aliens" seeding the earth. The Quest for Right, a series of 7 textbooks created for the public schools, represents the ultimate marriage between an in-depth knowledge of biblical phenomena and natural and physical sciences. The several volumes have accomplished that which, heretofore, was deemed impossible: to level the playing field between those who desire a return to physical science in the classroom and those who embrace the theory of evolution. The Quest for Right turns the tide by providing an authoritative and enlightening scientific explanation of natural phenomena which will ultimately dethrone the unprofitable Darwinian view. "I am amazed at the breadth of the investigation - scientific history, biblical studies, geology, biology, geography, astronomy, chemistry, paleontology, and so forth - and find the style of writing to be quite lucid and aimed clearly at a general, lay audience." - Mark Roberts, former Editor of Biblical Reference Books, Thomas Nelson Publishers. The Quest for Right series of books, based on physical science, the old science of cause and effect, has effectively dismantled the quantum additions to the true architecture of the atom. Gone are the nonexistent particles once thought to be complementary to the electron and proton (examples: neutrons, neutrinos, photons, mesons, quarks, Z's, bosons, etc.) and a host of other pseudo particles. To the curious, scientists sought to explain Atomic theory by introducing fantastic particles that supposedly came tumbling out of the impact between two particles, when in fact, the supposed finds were simply particulate debris. There are only two elementary particles which make up the whole of the universe: the proton and electron. All other particles were added via quantum magic and mathematical elucidation in an attempt to explain earthly phenomena without God. Introducing the scheme of coincidence, which by definition, "is the systematic ploy of obstructionists who, in lieu of any divine intervention, state that any coincidental grouping or chance union of electrons and protons (and neutrons), regardless of the configuration, always produces a chemical element. This is the mischievous tenet of electron interpretation which states that all physical, chemical, and biological processes result from a change in the electron structure of the atom which, in turn, may be deciphered through the orderly application of mathematics, as outlined in quantum mechanics. A few of the supporting theories are: degrading stars, neutron stars, black holes, extraterrestrial water, antimatter, the absolute dating systems, and the big bang, the explosion of a singularity infinitely smaller than the dot of an "i" from which space, time, and the massive stellar bodies supposedly sprang into being. The Quest for Right is not only better at explaining natural phenomena, but also may be verified through testing. As a consequence, the material in the several volumes will not violate the so-called constitutional separation of church and state. Physical science, the old science of cause and effect, will have a long-term sustainability, replacing irresponsible doctrines based on whim. Teachers and students will rejoice in the simplicity of earthly phenomena when entertained by the new discipline. The Quest for Right. http://questforright.com

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Creationists come in several

John the Skeptic (not verified) — Sat, 07/26/2008 - 11:58pm

Creationists come in several varieties, both Old Earth (non-Biblical literalist) Creationists and New Earth (Biblical literalist, Earth not more than 10k years old) Creationists. You pretend that all Creationists are of the YEC variety, because the existence of OECs undermine your argument.If ID is not a form of Creationism, how then do you explain the provenance of the phrase "cdesign proponentsists"? If you've never heard the phrase, you can look it up.To put a finer point on it, prior to the Supreme Court's decision in Edwards v. Aguillard, the working draft of the book "Of Pandas and People" contained this definition:"Creation means that the various forms of life began abruptly through the agency of an intelligent creator with their distinctive features already intact. Fish with fins and scales, birds with feathers, beaks, and wings, etc."Immediately after the Edwards decision which outlawed the teaching of Creationism in public schools, the authors of "Pandas" revised it to contain this definition:"Intelligent design means that various forms of life began abruptly through an intelligent agency, with their distinctive features already intact. Fish with fins and scales, birds with feathers, beaks, wings, etc."Where's the difference? If, as you claim, ID is not simply a form of Creationism, then how do you explain these definitions, which were written by the creationists themselves?Isn't it obvious that the authors of this book simply relabeled Creationism as "Intelligent Design"?

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