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Richard Dawkins gets children to consider aliens and assures them that aliens would side with atheists.
"If we ever meet life from another planet…I'd also be prepared to put my shirt on the bet that they will have evolved by the way equivalent of Darwinian Natural Selection."
This is certainly charming but how, precisely, is this science? This is philosophical worldview adherence. A scientist is telling children that he would put up his own shirt on the bet. Actually, that is not much of a wager. What Richard Dawkins is presenting is a faith based belief.
Following is Richard Dawkins' answer to the question "What do you believe is true even though you cannot prove it?":
"I believe that all life, all intelligence, all creativity and all 'design' anywhere in the universe, is the direct or indirect product of Darwinian natural selection. It follows that design comes late in the universe, after a period of Darwinian evolution. Design cannot precede evolution and therefore cannot underlie the universe."
He may believe this and it may actually be true, but should not be presented to impressionable children on the basis of authority and under that fa&#a7;ade of science.
There is an odd fascination with aliens amongst the New Atheists. Dan Barker attempts to prove, in a very troubling argument, that rape is not absolutely immoral by appealing to alien rape voyeurs. Sam Harris mirrors the imaginative sci-fi tale that Richard Dawkins presents to children. In their quaint tales the aliens always side with atheists. Sam Harris seeks otherworldly approval by imagining that there might be "complex life elsewhere in the cosmos." If there is, they might have developed a more sophisticated understanding of the universe than us. If they have done so, then they might be even less impressed by the contents of the Bible and the Qur'an than atheists are (see #8 here). Richard Dawkins likewise retreats into the realm of sci-fi and encourages children to imagine, along with him, what vastly superior beings would say to human:
"They'll probably find us pretty childish, but they will be quite kind about our science. They'll pat us on the head and say, "Well, what you know about Universe is pretty much correct. You got at lot to learn yet, but you are doing fine. Keep it up." That's what they would say if they were talking to our scientists. What if they were talking to our best lawyers or literary critics or theologians? I doubt if they'd be so impressed. They might be_ their anthropologists, the equivalent of their anthropologists might be interested in us, but they would be bound to notice that our cultural beliefs are very local and parochial; not just by their standards, their universal standards, where they certainly would be, but even by our own standards. Because what people believe on our planet depends so much on whereabouts on the planet they happen to be born, which is a fairly odd thing."
That's right children if aliens exist they may be scientifically/technologically superior. And if they visited us they would more impressed with our scientists than with our theologians. Furthermore, these aliens would notice that our cultural beliefs are very parochial by their universal standards.
Richard Dawkins has quickly moved from believing in universal Darwinian orthodoxy to universal standards regarding cultural beliefs. And yes, "universal" and "cultural" are counter distinct for the very reason that one is "universal" and the other "cultural." He may believe this and it may actually be true but should not be presented to impressionable children on the basis of authority and under that facade or science.
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I apologize for the length of
Anonymous (not verified) — Thu, 12/18/2008 - 2:46pmI apologize for the length of this response, but I write because you are trying to fight the good fight.As for what aliens would think of us, I think Socrates said it best. A typical craftsman/technician/scientist in one very narrow field confidently declares that he has authority and knowledge to make statements in any field that they have not been trained in. The craftsman/technician/scientist who does this is an ignorant fool that doesn't see his own ignorance. The wise man recognizes his ignorance and replaces assertions of truth with earnest questions.WRT to what would happen if aliens came to see us, we just don't know, but if they are anything like the way colonialists (even friendly ones) were in our world, Dawkin's pronouncements would be utterly laughable. As much as Dawkins would like it to be the case, the human ego is not the center of the universe. Our colonialists never praised the science of "primitive humans", however they have praised their cultures. The whole "Nobel Savage" myth is a direct result of this idealization. So even if the naturalistic world view is correct, we would be more impressive to our alien visitors if we spent more effort on our moral and spiritual foundations than science. WRT science, I think you misunderstand that faith means. Faith is nothing more than justified trust. Do you have faith in your wife? Why? I'm willing to bet you can't come up with a single reason to have faith in her....it's an accumulation of lifetime experiences that have given you faith in her. The same can be said about science, and of God. Actually, if you look at the world "Faith" in the original Greek bible, there are two words for "Faith" 1) I believe because my parents did, 2) I believe I have sufficient evidence. Faith (1) is how Greeks described their belief in the gods. Faith (1) is always condemmed by the Bible. Faith (2) is always used to describe faith in God. Faith (2) may also be used to describe faith in science. The key problem with Dawkins and friends is not their Faith (2) in science, it's that they often take the "Socratean Leap of Craftsman Arrogance" to assume that their speculations qualify as science. Faith in arrogance is nothing more than Faith (1) (i.e. I believe it because my imagination says it must be so).WRT evolution and IE, you might want to read up on Genesis 1. According to Genesis, God only interevened 3 timed during creation. They are:(1) He created the heavens and the earth.(2) He created the first life.(3) He created man and women and breathed the Image of God into them.In every other case, he said "let their be". Let their be light (visible on the earth). Let the water separate (on earth into water vapour and ocean). Let fishes appear, etc.If taken from the perspective of earth, Genesis 1 follows precisely the evolutionary pattern that God "allowed to be", and this pattern is backed up by science. We would be assuming too much to assume that God used intelligent design anywhere else other than (1), (2), and (3). At the very least, such speculation is not Biblically supported.-- Ronald Davies
DAWKINS Alien Admirers :
Anonymous — Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:51amIf all of these mysterious UFO sightings, that have been witnessed worldwide, actually WERE the craft of alien beings, I do not think that Professor Dawkins, Nor Science would be their main interests! SCIENCE is NOT the ONLY important thing in LIFE,
Not only is Prof. Dawkins a Master Manipulator with his words, he also knows how to completely ignore the overwhelming amount of scientific facts that defy the evolutional model, but clearly agree with the capabilities of A Grand Designer!
If he were to do some decent research on what several of the Major Experts, and Pioneers of UFOlogy ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE these beings REALLY are, he would quickly DENY the known
facts. And then, would most likely launch another WRATHFUL CRUSADE of his! :)
I'm sure you TRUTH seekers know exactly what
these beings are, AND WHO else is involved, and their AGENDA....... You tube has amazing videos, from the actual Expert Researchers! Check Out: NWO Alien Agenda, Aliens Are Really Demonic, END TIME DELUSION, Project
Blue Beam, etc....... ATHEISTS- DON'T BE DECEIVED, or in DENIAL any longer. DO THE RESEARCH! Scientific evidence for Intelligent Design, " " " God, DNA, Cosmology, Theology, Bio, Physics, Chem., Archaeology, etc........ NWO, Hitler and The Occult, NWO Agenda , Freemasonry and Satanism, Hitler and Mystery Religions, Esoteric NWO, The BIG LIE!
Biblical Archaeology, History, Biblical History, Biblical Prophesies Fulfilled, Bible Science, Science Facts In the Bible, END TIME DECEPTION, END TIME DELUSION, The Reality of Evil, Illuminati, Aliens, Demons.......
Prof. Dawkins, KNOWS EXACTLY what these beings really are! He will be a major player in the overall world agenda. So- CHOOSE WHO YOU WILL SERVE, THIS DAY!