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Richard Dawkins - Children in the Atheist's Den (8 Part Series)

This is part 1 of my review of Professor Richard Dawkins' "Royal Institution Christmas Lectures" aka "The Royal Institution Lectures for Children" Episode 1, "Waking up in the Universe" (transcript / video). When all parts have been posted I will provide a PDF format version of the entire essay.

The Child Abuser

Please note that my emotionally charged title is meant to mirror the charges of "child abuse" that Prof. Richard Dawkins et al have made against literally billions of people worldwide. In this case "child abuse" does not refer to pedophilia or to physical beatings (although Prof. Richard Dawkins does refer to certain twisted perverts as "gentle pedophile"). My charge of "child abuse" against Prof. Richard Dawkins is made utilizing his own criteria. "Children in the Atheist's Den" refers to this critique of Prof. Richard Dawkins' "Royal Institution Christmas Lectures" aka "The Royal Institution Lectures for Children" Episode 1, "Waking up in the Universe."

One of the admitted goals of the New Atheists is to dictated child rearing. They are taking it upon themselves to determine and dictate how the entire planet's parents will raise their children. But what if you do not agree with them? They have already taken the first step in retaliating against anyone who dares to act against this command of theirs: they have taken it upon themselves to refer to anyone who steps out of line as committing "child abuse" and being "evil." Prof. Daniel Dennett refers to children who are raised in religious households as, "indoctrinated," "brainwashed" and "psychologically abused."1 Prof. Richard Dawkins thinks that everyone should agree with him, "Everybody's consciousness should be raised to this level."2 He also wonders if there may be place for "society stepping in."3 He therefore calls for activism, "Please go out and work at raising people's consciousness over the words they use to describe children."4 Prof. Richard Dawkins further stated:

"you should be free to choose your own cosmology and ethics without society's impertinent presumption that you will automatically inherit those of your parents. We'd be aghast to be told of a Leninist child or a neo-conservative child or a Hayekian monetarist child. So isn't it a kind of child-abuse to speak of a Catholic child or a Protestant child?...Catholic child? Flinch. Protestant child? Squirm. Muslim child? Shudder."5


But what about a Darwinist child? The "Children in the Atheist's Den" series will conclude that Prof. Richard Dawkins does want to convert children into Darwinists. And what of an atheist child? Ultimately, he would like to see children grow up to be atheists, "I could well imagine that this linguistically coded freedom to choose might lead children to choose no religion at all."6


Furthermore, Prof. Daniel Dennett has played a particular part in this by recommending a one way street of censorship. You should not be allowed to teach your children your religion without presenting various other options. But when it comes to "science," Darwinian orthodoxy shall not be questioned nor challenged in the public classroom and no other options are to be tolerated (also see Protecting the Science Classroom).

Prof. PZ Myers was asked "But don't parents have a right to teach their children what they believe to be true without a professor undermining certain deeply held beliefs?" and responded thusly, "Why should they have that right?" (see the "At 24:11 into the interview" section of this essay).

Prof. Richard Dawkins has previously stated, (to byFaith Magazine), "What's to prevent us from saying Hitler wasn't right? I mean, that is a genuinely difficult question." Yet, he has now solidified his definition of evil, (to the UK Telegraph), "It is evil to describe a child as a Muslim child or a Christian child. I think labelling children is child abuse and I think there is a very heavy issue."

"Children in the Atheist's Den" is premised upon a consideration of Prof. Richard Dawkins particular references to children choosing their own cosmology and his main point about parents abusing their children by teaching them a particular religion before the child has developed the cognitive abilities to weight evidence, make comparisons, and finally make an unbiased choice. I seek to prove that Prof. Richard Dawkins qualifies as a "child abuser" by his very own definition.

I do not take this task on lightly and so in order to demonstrate that I am not merely making an assertion I will present my essay based on a lecture that he presented to an audience of children. This makes for a good example of Prof. Richard Dawkins abusing, indoctrinating, evil and brainwashing of children by pushing his own unproven beliefs, fallacious logic, faulty information and one sided biased information.

Prof. Richard Dawkins lectures actually consisted on five separate lectures. I may or may not critique them all. For now, at least, these (hopefully succinct) segments critiquing one lecture are sufficient. The best thing to do is to completely ignore what I am going to post on this issue and watch them yourself. When you do so, constantly ask yourself if what he is presenting is evidence based, mere guess work passed off as fact, atheistic worldview adherence, etc.

It may be of interest to note that in 1991, while Prof. Richard Dawkins was presenting lectures to children and assuring them that life began in a primordial soup, John Horgan was enumerating some theories as to how life came to be to the readers of Scientific American (see this post). You may be thinking that after all, Prof. Richard Dawkins was lecturing to mere children while Scientific American is a science journal. Yes indeed, and this is just the point: Prof. Richard Dawkins was, to whatever extent and with whatever, if any, amount of forethought, presenting one of many theories as if it alone were fact (he did present the concept of undirected panspermia as a "fantasy").

He did introduced the concept of the primordial soup by stating "Some people think_" fair enough. Yet, he offers no other options and so the children are not only being brainwashed but specifically indoctrinated by being offered limited information. Also, they are just asked to believe, Prof. Richard Dawkins stated, "Nobody knows how it happened but somehow_And after that Darwinian evolution and life took off."

The bottom line of the lectures appears to be an implication that his worldview is smart and will lead children to give up on their ignorance (and the ignorance of their parents). His lectures for children are meant to convert children into the worldview of absolute materialism. He makes this apparent by appealing to authority, by presenting very narrow and convenient arguments and selective evidence, by caricaturizations, passing off mere speculation as fact, etc. Thus, overall the children are left with this impression: science determines the meaning of life, is worthy of your trust and faith, and will make you smart enough to do away with your childish religious superstitions.

May the children come out of the atheist's den as unscathed as Daniel came out of the lion's den.

  1. 1. Daniel C. Dennett, Breaking the Spell - Religion as a Natural Phenomenon (New York: Penguin Group, 2006), p. 326
  2. 2. Richard Dawkins, Now Here's a Bright Idea
  3. 3. Wired Magazine online: Gary Wolf, The Church of the Non-Believers (found here and here)
  4. 4. Dawkins, Now Here's a Bright Idea
  5. 5. Ibid.
  6. 6. Ibid.
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Your argument seems somewhat disingenuous. The Royal Institution Christmas Lectures have - since their introduction by Michael Faraday in 1825 - been about inspiring children to become interested in science. It has never been a platform for atheism or a venue for indoctrination. What's the difference? Aside from the fact that the lecturers (including Dawkins) can back up what they say with evidence (more on that later), there are no explicit or implicit threats or rewards. They're saying "this is how it is, if you're intereted, go and find out more". They are not using arguments from such authority figures as parents, teachers, clergy etc. to say "this is how it is, if you disagree you'll be punished or fail to receive some magnificent reward in the afterlife."Surely, Dawkins does not present every scrap of evidence for the things he says in the lectures. This is because there is no time and because the lectures have to be entertaining as well as informative. If the children go on to enrol in a biology course or study it on their own, they will quite easily come across the evidence for the statements made. You seem to mischaracterise the views of several people. I won't deal with these in full in the interests of brevity, but to claim that any of the people you mention would argue that "Darwinian orthodoxy shall not be questioned nor challenged in the public classroom and no other options are to be tolerated" is an outright lie.What these people actually argue is that only science should be taught in science classes. Creationism and its alter-ego Intelligent Design are demonstrably not science and are therefore not appropriate for inclusion in science lessons. I don't think Dawkins, Dennet, Harris, Myers or Hitchens would argue that religion shouldn't be taught in schools: just that religion isn't science and shouldn't be taught as such. Dawkins, as it happens has explicitly supported the teaching of religion.Teach religion all you like: although I (and most likely, all of the above) would argue that if you're going to do that, you should teach all religions), but keep it seperate from science. They aren't the same thing.But back to what seems to be the main point of this article. You write:"[Dawkins'] lectures for children are meant to convert children into the worldview of absolute materialism." This is simply untrue. They are meant to educate and entertain. It seems likely that Dawkins would be pleased if some of the children were inspired to a scientific career and to live a life questioning *everything* (scientific and religious). This is a very different position to wishing to convert everyone to a "worldview of absolute materialism" or anything else."He makes this apparent by appealing to authority..."No, he does not. He does not explicitly present *all* the evidence to support every single point he makes, for reasons stated above: time constraints and the need to be entertaining. However, that evidence is freely available in the public domain and anyone who wishes to search for it can do so. He's not hiding anything, he just doesn't have time to cover it all (and few of the kids would be interested in that level of detail anyway)."...by presenting very narrow and convenient arguments...selective evidence...caricturizations [sic]....passing off mere speculation as fact, etc."You'd need to qualify this with examples before I could comment. It's surprising that you don't do this.I for one found Dawkins' lectures entertaining, informative and inspirational when I saw them back in 1991. I didn't see them as an attack on religion (I don't remember him mentioning religion at all during the lectures), but as a set of charasmatic lectures on an important part of biology.

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