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As stated in part 1, the typical New Atheist fallacies committed by Christopher Hitchens during his debate with Jay Richards are further compounded by the laymen New Atheists as exampled throughout the internet. In this case, I will consider the picture perfect example of a fallacy compounder in the form of Aidan Maconachy (from his article "Christopher Hitchens Debates Creationist Jay Richards") a DHDH Meme carrier (for Dennett-Harris-Dawkins-Hitchens).
Following on the heels of Christopher Hitchens' statements which we considered in part 1, he wrote,
Hitchens made the very good point that centuries of "barbarism, misery, ignorance, slavery and early death" hardly leads one to believe in a beneficent designer God.
Obviously, this means that if someone steals your car and runs someone over with it, your car was not designed by a beneficent engineer-right? Nay, rather this solidifies the doctrine of the fall.Aidan Maconachy also notes,
Richards responded by describing God as the "definition of goodness and love". However his all-loving deity for some reason turned a blind eye to the holocaust and the other epic atrocities that scar human history. His argument from science was equally unconvincing.
Setting aside the emotive references to the Holocaust (which Sam Harris blames on the Jews), et al, I think that he is missing the point: that God is the definition of goodness and love is meant to draw attention to the fact that without God's standards of goodness and love the most that the atheist could do is claim that they personally disapprove of the Holocaust but since the Nazis disagree with their personal disapproval we are at a stalemate that was only broken when the allied forces survived as the fittest over the Nazis.
Aidan Maconachy then makes reference to the virgin birth and resurrection question and the "science has nothing to do with his world view" statement and writes,
And that's the crux of it. How can people like Richards try to enlist science in their quest to 'prove' God, when they also believe biblical fairy tales?
Yes, this is the crux of it, if God exists then the Bible is not necessarily filled with, note another emotive term here, "fairy tales." In fact, it is the very fields and methods of science that were established largely by believers in God that uncovered laws in the universe and the continuity to which they give rise. As far as we know, laws do not proceed forth from arbitrary collocations-from explosions. When continuity is broken, such as when a dead body rises, we can discern the possibility of a miracle. Jay Richards holds that the scientific evidence for a creator leads, eventually perhaps, to a chain of causation which concludes in the Bible's theology.I actually do not understand how atheists deny any miracles at all. It would be more logical for them to state that for example; Jesus rising from the dead was no act of God but a serendipitous combination of natural laws in an unexpected and or rare chance event.Aidan Maconachy notes that "It makes it appear that they are only using science as a partisan tool, reducing it pretty much to a pseudo-science." "Ditto," seems like an appropriate retort since there are atheist-activist-scientists who infer atheism from biology and others who claim that science and atheism are inseparable. Yet, science has nothing to offer atheism (see my essay Omni-Science).
Aidan Maconachy wrote that Jay Richards,
described God as "a transcendent, eternal, personal being." The problem with this glorious picture, is that the God of the bible was in fact more like a mean spirited psychopath, than anything approximating Richards' description.
Yes, the childish emotive assertions continue. The statement is that since the God of the Bible is like a mean spirited psychopath He cannot be a transcendent, eternal, personal being. This is a non-sequitur. Let us grant the emotive statement and state that God can be like a mean spirited psychopath and also be transcendent, eternal and a personal being (although, maybe not personable). I am forced to wonder if such simple to correct logical fallacies are overlooked due to the amount of time, energy and focus being placed on the adrenaline spiked excitement of the emotionally charged pseudo-arguments.Aidan Maconachy seeks to reinforce his likening of the God of the Bible to a mean spirited psychopath by noting that "The biblical deity described himself as 'a jealous God.'"Yet, in his eagerness to discredit this God and accredit Christopher Hitchens he overlooks another very basic point: jealousy is bad when it is misplaced but good when it is well placed. In other words, jealousy could be based on petty misunderstandings, etc. but could also be a well founded and an appropriate reaction. God's jealousy is, by definition, perfect jealousy.Sadly, he further compounds this error by writing that God "routinely called for the slaughter of those he deemed unworthy." This is just generic enough to be meaningless. Yet, it does function as a self-serving jab: routinely and deemed unworthy are simply generic and unfounded.
He further states
It wasn't enough to slaughter the fighting men - the women, children and livestock had to be wiped out also to satisfy his craven lust for vengeance.
If I were an atheist I would not be so bothered about slaughters and lust for vengeance as I would be by my inability to condemn slaughters and lust for vengeance. Note that he does not present any sort of argument against such actions but merely makes an argument from outrage which he appears to expect his readers to accept likewise-due to emotionally driven feelings.
Moreover, he is also pseudo-condemning the past actions of the ancient Middle Easterners whom, on his view if followed logically and biologically, were acting in accord to the less evolved morality of their time. He fails to note that what was routine was these culture's practice of human, often child, sacrifices to false gods and that the God of the Bible gave them hundreds of years to repent. In effect, these cultures condemned themselves (human sacrifice is discussed here).The last part of Aidan Maconachy's article is something that a critic of atheist could not make up as it is such a picture perfect as an example of the New Atheist movement's deleterious effect upon discourse.He writes,
Although Hitchens made a strong showing, he won by default. The glaring flaws and contradictions in Richards' argument guaranteed it. Attempting to prove "God" verges on silly.
Need any more be said?
Christopher Hitchens won by default because since attempting to prove God verges on silly, Jay Richards was doomed before the debate even began.Of course, these are not real "flaws and contradictions" but are those which an atheist defender of the indefensible New Atheist tactics is forced to concoct. They either concoct these pseudo-flaws and pseudo-contradictions in order to claim theistic failure, due to basic lack of knowledge about what they are attempting to criticize or because they are simply incapable of meeting the arguments on the argument's own merits.
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Old Catholicism and its hiding rapists.
Mufa Khathat (not verified) — Thu, 04/01/2010 - 11:34amSo are you going to comment on the deleterous effect of the catholic priests that have been raping children, and the vatican turned a blind eye to their activities.
You'd think that priests would be highly moral people, not rapists.
I believe the point being
standalone (not verified) — Fri, 02/19/2010 - 9:43amI believe the point being made is how atheists making emotive pleas for their side (referring to religion as "fairy tales") and against the religious (stating that someone who believes in god is not intelligent enough to discuss science), indeed, this whole attitude of "I don't believe in god, and I'm better than you" is what has killed atheism.
Well said, commenter at 7:03
Anonymous (not verified) — Wed, 02/10/2010 - 7:42pmWell said, commenter at 7:03 pm on Feb 1, 2010!
Don't take this personally,
Anonymous (not verified) — Tue, 02/02/2010 - 1:03amDon't take this personally, but this is a really, REALLY poorly written and argued case for the existence of a (Christian, of course) god.You state:'Obviously, this means that if someone steals your car and runs someone over with it, your car was not designed by a beneficent engineer-right? Nay, rather this solidifies the doctrine of the fall'.The logic here escapes me. How does the fact that someone may do something improper and unjust (stealing a car) solidify 'the doctrine of the fall'? Where is the connection, direct or otherwise? Did it ever occur to you that there may be some other explanation for the fact that people sometimes do bad things? No?You state:'In fact, it is the very fields and methods of science that were established largely by believers in God that uncovered laws in the universe and the continuity to which they give rise'. Yes, it is true that certain truths were uncovered by believers in God (such as Isaac Newton), but it does not automatically follow that because of this fact that there must therefore be a God, Christian or other. This is a logical fallacy, argument from authority. So-and-so the scientist (and he's a very bright man) believed it, so it must be true. Wrong!You claim:'As far as we know, laws do not proceed forth from arbitrary collocations-from explosions'.Yes, this is true, as far as we know, but your so-called solution is to posit the existence of a causative factor (God) which is even more of a mystery than the problem we are trying to tackle. You are basically saying that if we don't have the answer to any given scientific problem, then the only reason for this is that God made it so. This is not a satisfactory answer, it just raises more problems than the one it was supposed to solve, and this is not a reasonable way of seeing the world.Your claim:'When continuity is broken, such as when a dead body rises, we can discern the possibility of a miracle'.I'm almost embarrassed to ask this, but why should anyone, for any reason, believe that corpses come back to life? Because the Bible says so, and therefore it simply MUST be true? The very definition of a miracle is an event, or series of events, that defy one or more of the known laws of nature. For this simple reason we should not believe in them. If you believe in miracles, then you need to present highly compelling evidence in support of such a view. Don't expect anyone to take anything on faith.You claim:'Jay Richards holds that the scientific evidence for a creator leads, eventually perhaps, to a chain of causation which concludes in the Bible's theology'.How? Where? First of all, there is no, repeat NO, scientific evidence for a creator of any kind, never mind that psychopathic tyrant (El-Shaddai, the 'father' of the Canaanite trinity)that is found in the books of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy and Joshua. Secondly, even if there were such evidence, where is the chain of causation that Jay Richards has supposedly found?One more:'The statement is that since the God of the Bible is like a mean spirited psychopath He cannot be a transcendent, eternal, personal being'.Are you saying here that a mean spirited psychopath in fact CAN be a transcendent one? One that we should grovel beneath and worship? One that we should hold up and admire as an exemplar of moral and ethical behaviour? A God that demands the liquidation of all and any potential opposition to the Israelite annexation of Canaan?Don't be ridiculous!