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Mormonism: The Family of Gods - A Proclamation to the World

The First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints promulgated a statement entitled "The Family A Proclamation to the World,"1 which "is based on the teachings of Jesus Christ."

The proclamation states that all human beings are,
"a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and, as such, each has a divine nature and destiny. Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose. In the premortal realm, spirit sons and daughters knew and worshiped God as their eternal Father."

The first thing to note is the reference to a premortal existence. You do remember your premortal existence don't you? No, well neither does the Bible mention any such thing. Sometimes Mormonism has attempted to read the entire doctrine of a premortal existence into Jeremiah 1:5 which states, "Before I formed you in the belly I knew you; and before you came forth out of the womb I consecrated you, and I ordained you a prophet to the nations." Have you ever met someone with whom you have a mutual friend and they say something to the likes of, "I feel as if I already know you."
There is such a thing as one-sided knowledge, which is the case in the Jeremiah text. Notice what the text does and does not say: God tells Jeremiah, "Before I formed you in the belly I knew you," God tells Jeremiah, "I knew you," and not, "We knew each other," nor, "You knew me."
Moreover, in Genesis 2:7 we find that, "the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." He was not a living soul already who came into the body that God had made, but was nothing until God created a body and only then created the soul.

Notice that while we have "heavenly parents"-plural, the "spirit sons and daughters knew and worshiped God as their eternal Father"-singular. Who is our mother? What is her name? Why do we not worship her? She is a goddess after all.

The proclamation further states, "Sacred ordinances and covenants available in holy temples make it possible for individuals to return to the presence of God and for families to be united eternally." This is a wonderful concept and one which contains much truth-we certainly can enjoy each other's presence for eternity. But the Mormon concept goes far beyond this into what a typical Mormon marriage certificate refers to as, "Marriage for Time and Eternity." Allegedly, it was our married heavenly parents who gave birth to our spirits and then made bodies for us.
Interestingly enough, Jesus was specifically asked about marriage in the afterlife:
"On that day the Sadducees came to Him, who say that there is no resurrection. And they asked Him, saying, Master, Moses said, If a man dies, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife and raise up seed to his brother. Now there were with us seven brothers. And the first, when he had married a wife, died. And, having no issue, he left his wife to his brother. The second also did likewise, and the third, to the seventh. And last of all the woman also died. Therefore in the resurrection, whose wife shall she be, of the seven? For they all had her. Jesus answered and said to them, You err, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in Heaven" (Matthew 22:23-30).
Early (and modern fundamentalist) Mormonism may have responded that she would be the wife of them all (although polygamy is generally one man with many women). In any case, Jesus was asked about a woman who had had many husbands and so to whom will she be married in the afterlife? To no one, because in the afterlife there is no such thing as marriage. She we will enjoy relationships with her earthly spouses but it will not be a marriage as we know it.

In conclusion, we were told that the Mormon proclamation was "based on the teachings of Jesus Christ." The proclamation does not contain one single quotation from Jesus Christ. Moreover, we cannot even say that it is based on, since Jesus' actual teachings contradict those that are claimed to be based on His teaching. The Mormon church has gotten a long way based on their perception as upholding strong family values, but let us not fall for absolute pragmatism. Family values are great but let us base them on the Bible and not on false doctrines that are merely claimed to be based upon Jesus Christ.

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Anonymous — Tue, 04/05/2011 - 2:22pm

On Jeremiah 1:5 It is easier to accept that when God said "I knew you before you were born" that he actually meant it.

On Matthew 22:23-30 About marriages: here it is important to understand LDS doctrine before answering. Marriage is an earthly ordinance (not after the resurrection) done in the flesh, hence the purpose of temples.

The polygamy comment is an attempt to throw mud, bad Christian! Whoopish! :) Polygamy had a particular purpose at a particular time given by commandment, and it is not part of the Church's doctrine today (and it is tremendously misunderstood).

I wouldn't expect anyone who is not LDS to understand the fundamentals of the Proclamation well. It is written by apostles (given until Jesus comes again Ephesians 4), special witnesses of Jesus Christ, and given by revelation for events that are transpiring now on the Earth. If you can't see the foresight in the document, I don't know what to tell you.

I do appreciate the comment on family values, and I would recommend to anyone to give importance to the weightier matters of the Law of God Matthew 23:23 (family values vs. contending over doctrines which can be interpreted a number of ways). Let's fight the real evils of the world brotha instead of bickering between Christians, eh?

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Please recall that I directed

Mariano (not verified) — Fri, 01/29/2010 - 2:52pm

Please recall that I directed you to the hyperlink for the information about the Trinity and then also referred you back to the hyperlinked information.What is stopping you from asserting that there are many gods is that in doing so you would be contradicting the Bible, the Book of Mormon, The Pearl of Great Price, etc.On the other hand; since the doctrine of the Trinity is monotheistic Trinitarian doctrine is consistent with the Bible and the Book of Mormon.Here is the link again: READ ME :o).This is the intro but from it, you can follow the segments that are posted about every 4 days or so. You will see that the Bible applies attributed of deity to the 3 persons of the Trinity while maintaining that there is only one God.

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So provide the information

Seth R. (not verified) — Sun, 01/24/2010 - 6:32pm

So provide the information then. You haven't done so yet. Just bare assertion.I've had fully ordained Berean ministers, Catholic theologians, Protestant apologists, and countless others explain the Trinity to me. I doubt there's much you could add.But the same logic behind the Trinity works for adding on additional members. There's really nothing stopping us.Of course Mormons don't really buy into that notion of sharing the same "substance." But I've never yet met a Christian who could explain what the heck "substance" is supposed to mean anyway, so no big loss.

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Ok, it took quite a while but

Mariano (not verified) — Sun, 01/24/2010 - 5:22pm

Ok, it took quite a while but I see the problem now.You have been misinformed about biblical/Christian theology.The good news is that we live in an information age and it will not require much to correct the error into which you have fallen.Please begin by reading the series to which I referred you as that will lay out the case of the biblical doctrine of the Trinity.Trinitarians are monotheistic because we believe in only one single God.Mormons are henotheistic because they believe in many gods.In this sense the Bible agrees with the Book of Mormon, The Pearl of Great Price, etc. and the modern Mormons disagree with the Bible, the Book of Mormon, The Pearl of Great Price, etc.aDios,Mariano

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I do know better than that

Seth R. (not verified) — Thu, 01/21/2010 - 11:40pm

I do know better than that Mariano.Which is why I'm also aware that the same logic that makes you "monotheist" in spite of three gods, can also do equally well at making me a monotheist, in spite of even more.Cheers.

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Come on Seth (my younger

Mariano (not verified) — Thu, 01/21/2010 - 10:53pm

Come on Seth (my younger son's name, by the way) you know better than that-do you not?If you do not then please check out the series beginning at this link.aDios,Mariano

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If there is only one God,

Seth R. (not verified) — Fri, 01/08/2010 - 2:41pm

If there is only one God, then why do you, as a Christian, worship three?

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Pardon, I did not mean to

Mariano (not verified) — Fri, 01/08/2010 - 12:46pm

Pardon, I did not mean to change the argument. Since there are no biblical references to the existence of more than one God (with the exception of references to false gods, which is what any god but the one God are) it seemed relevant to point out the fact that modern Mormonism contradicts the Bible, the Book of Mormon, The Pearl of Great Price, etc.It seems that you are now engaging in semantics.Monotheism denotes the affirmation of the existence of only one God-period.Not one god per universe or one god and his wives.The Bible affirms that before the one God no other god was formed and that none would be formed afterwards-this contradicts Mormon theology.What is consistent in both the Bible and the Book of Mormon is the existence of one single God with no exceptions anywhere and not that we have one will and purpose guiding the entire universe with which we can participate.Call Mormonism polytheistic or better yet, henotheistic but is most certainly is not monotheistic and you, should, known it.aDios,Mariano

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