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Another Anthropocentric Atheist Rages Against Tolerance and Diversity

Margarita Lacabe1 is the latest cookie cutter atheist to make it difficult for the friendly atheist next door to be considered the friendly atheist next door.

She is a member of the atheist sect that thinks that the 99% should be disregarded for the 1% and she is of the Dan Barker and Michael Newdow school of let's see how many lawsuits we can file school of legislation from the bench. And the Rob Sherman school of making silence illegal.

Margarita Lacabe attended her daughter's public school, watch for the terminology here, "holiday" show (as in "holy" "day"). She joyfully sat in the auditorium as the children sang secular favorites such as "Frosty the Snowman" (or is it now, "Frosty the Non-Gender Specific Snow Personage"?) and "Santa Claus is Coming to Town" (Santa, the morbidly obese guy who runs a sweat shop).

Yet,


she was shocked by the choir's next tune. "The children were singing and they were all regular Christmas songs, but then I heard 'Silent Night,'" said Lacabe. "I couldn't believe it"_Lacabe was so incensed by the song that she left the auditorium while the children were still singing and spoke with McKinley Principal Cher Mott. "I was so incredibly mad."

Did I read this correctly: she attends a "holiday" show in a country founded upon Christian values, premised upon the freedom of religious expression, whose declaration was declared by referencing our "Creator_nature's God," and is "shocked_incensed_incredibly mad"?
Oh, I know she probably does not know the difference between the Establishment Clause of the Constitution and a letter written by Thomas Jefferson who attended Christian worship church services in the Capitol Building.

But why be so "shocked_incensed_incredibly mad" that she left the auditorium while her child was still singing? "because she and her family are atheists"-shocking, I know.

Some would say that teaching a Christian song is an example of celebrating one of many different cultures present in public schools. But Lacabe said that, because Christianity is so prevalent, teaching it becomes a form of indoctrination. "They are not teaching Muslim songs, or Wiccan, or Pagan, they are not teaching atheist songs, if they are supposed to be teaching different cultures," said Lacabe. She suggested R.E.M.'s "Losing My Religion" as an example of a song with atheistic themes and suggested a web site full of songs that are from an atheist perspective.

I think that an asanta clausist should complain and get "Santa Claus is Coming to Town" taken out. Then an amagical chauvinistic snowmen could get "Frosty the Snowman" taken out. Pretty soon the holiday show will be a "Winter Time Off of Work Seasonage Show." The audience could consist of the parents and an assigned ACLU lawyer with lawsuit paperwork at the ready. While the music teacher sweats profusely while worrying and the children sing songs that have been deloused on any word that may offend someone. But then some may find this offensive so_

Indeed, why only exclude Christian songs or otherwise actually "religious" songs. Why should we allow songs about magical beings with supernatural powers such as Santa and Frosty in public schools. Why are some worldview/philosophies allowed and others not? Why is it acceptable that atheism is smuggled into the backdoor (actually, the front) of our science classrooms from kindergarten to college (as evidenced here, here, here and here).

In keeping with her prolific litigious output:

Lacabe said the McKinley music teacher Kathy Maier said she would remove the song from the rest of the seasonal holiday curriculum, but would not commit to permanently getting rid of it_After asking McKinley staff to not teach her daughter religious music, Lacabe was disappointed that they would not make a blanket change of their policy, so she filed a complaint with the district. At this point she is considering either bringing the issue up to the school board or school the district_ fought to have the words "Under God" removed from the Pledge of Allegiance_she may pursue the possibility of a legal injunction on the "Silent Night" matter, as well her complaint about the Pledge of Allegiance, depending on the results of other similar lawsuits in the state.

What happens when children are taught the Declaration of Independence? Do they read the censored version, the militant activist atheist rewriting of history version?

It is quite obvious that the motto of such atheist is "I shall have no other gods before me!" Thus, of course, this is all about Margarita Lacabe. Yet, in fact it is a conspiracy whereby "holiday" songs were invented to be sung during the "holiday" season so that her daughter would be indoctrinated (envisage evil laughter here):

Lacabe added that she believes that the school was aware of her atheism, because when her daughter was in kindergarten last year she fought to have the words "Under God" removed from the Pledge of Allegiance. She believes that the school knew about her atheism and purposefully ignored it. "I feel they did it intentionally to indoctrinate my daughter in Christianity," said Lacabe. "They are discriminating against my daughter because she is not a Christian_[her husband said] "I agree with her and, of course, I support her because she is my wife_

Now we really come to the crux of the matter:

The school district office said that they have a no-discrimination policy_

Margarita Lacabe said that. But for now, her daughter continues to say the pledge every Wednesday morning at an assembly with the rest of the school. "She is seven-years-old and wants to be like everyone else," said Lacabe. "Basically, that is what I'm talking about. When you have this type of indoctrination, you are telling a group of kids that, because they don't believe in the same things, they are not like everyone else."

Well, indeed, in a majority Christian country those who do not believe in the same things are not like everyone else.
Diversity is about recognizing our differences and tolerance is about respecting those differences. Yet, the atheist movement represented by Margarita Lacabe appears to think that diversity is pretending that we are all the same and tolerance is putting up only with that with which we agree. This is intolerant uniformity not tolerant diversity.

The 99% must, under threat of multiple expensive lawsuits conform to the 1% "shocked_incensed_incredibly mad" paranoid conspiracy theorist.

Walk on eggshell everyone, here comes the atheist!

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I both agree and disagree

Freed by Reason (not verified) — Fri, 06/18/2010 - 12:59pm

I do think, as you do, that this woman overreacted to a simple holiday childrens' song. However, that is the extent of our shared viewpoint. Now I will return to my more favored stance and debunk your unrealistic worldview, and you will no doubt blissfully ignore sense and logic in favor of your outdated fairy tale.

Two things outright piss me off in this. First, your belief that the country was based on christian principles. Like so many others, you put too much value in your pathetic fantasies. You run to the Declaration of Independence for "proof" of religion in the founding documents, oblivious to the fact that the Declaration was NOT a founding document, and ignore the self-evident, blatant FACT that the only reference the Constitution and Bill of Rights make towards religion is exclusionary.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Perform a search on the United States Constitution and you will find that the word 'god' is not in it, nor is 'Jesus', 'Christ', 'Christianity', or anything of the sort. The rumor that the founding fathers prayed before writing the document is false; Benjamin Franklin suggested that they pray, but the suggestion was rejected. Her daughter goes to a PUBLIC school, paid for by TAXPAYER money. The freedom of speech does not stretch to endorsing a religion that only a portion of the taxpayers hold as their own.

The second claim that absolutely infuriates me is the claim that 'atheism is smuggled in the back door of schools'. You are referring to nothing more than the theory of evolution, a scientific theory that has been tested, retested, studied, attacked, and repeatedly confirmed for over a hundred and fifty years. "It's only a theory". Yes, only a theory. So is gravity. And germ theory. But none of those are despised the way evolution is, because they don't happen to REFUTE YOUR WORLDVIEW USING NOTHING BUT OBSERVABLE OCCURRENCES. Scientific theory is more than a haphazard guess. It is an inference made based on the current evidence, and then it is tested. And tested again. And again. Why? Because scientists are motivated to learn more, and to study and test existing theories, and to overturn one of these globally accepted theories in favor of one that fits all of the evidence better than the old is Nobel Prize work, as well as an extraordinary sum of money. The theory of evolution is taught (or at least is supposed to be taught; my biology teacher blissfully skirted over it and replaced it with old dinosaur documentaries instead) because it is science, and to remove it from classes simply because it does not agree with your moldy, thousand year old book is unreasonable and downright stupid.

To slip in Intelligent Design and insist that it be taught along side of evolution in science class is equally dishonest. The term "intelligent design" was coined in the book "Of Pandas and People", a book that was written around the time of a court case that ruled creationism not to be science, and therefore could not legally be taught in science class. In the manuscripts before this ruling, it said that creationism "means that various forms of life began abruptly through an intelligent agency with their distinctive features already intact ­ fish with fins and scales, birds with feathers, beaks, and wings, etc." However, in the manuscripts after the ruling, intelligent design "means that various forms of life began abruptly through an intelligent agency with their distinctive features already intact ­ fish with fins and scales, birds with feathers, beaks, and wings, etc." Forgive me if I'm wrong, but relabeling the word that a definition refers to seems to be an attempt to "slip theism into the schools". Another editing issue comes up with the phrase "cdesign proponentsists". Let's take this apart, shall we? Obviously, the intended phrase was "design proponents". In "cdesign proponentsists" this word is very easy to pick out. What is left is "c-ists", with something being deleted before design proponents was pasted in its place. What starts with a "c" and ends with "ists" that also fits the context here? I see only one word that can fit. Creationists. We can infer that a hurried editor was highlighting every "creationist" he/she came across in the manuscript, then pasted "design proponents" in its place, but rushed through it and made a mistake. YOUR kind seem to be the ones trying to slip their beliefs into places they don't belong.

I wholeheartedly agree with Lacabe on her attempt to remove "under god" from the pledge, because it does not belong there and did not to begin with. In fact, I disagree with the Pledge being required in elementary school classes at ALL. Forcing children to pledge their allegiance to something before they understand what it entails is taking advantage of their ignorance, and I do not just say this in regards to the pledge. Roughly three fourths of all evangelical christians are "born again" before they turn thirteen. Muslims perform genital mutilation on six-year-olds, often with unsterilized tools that range from Exacto knives, to kitchen blades, to common household scissors, so extensively on the girls that they remove every part of the vagina that derives pleasure from sex, also making the first time she has sex unbearably painful due to the great mass of scar tissue that the man must break through. I myself was given the choice of living with my mother or my father, when my mother was going to move thousands of miles away from my father. I did not understand the full consequences of the decision I was forced to make, and I regret it even now. Forcing children to commit to something before they have the capacity to understand what they are committing to is nothing but cruel, and it can affect them for the rest of their lives.

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Anonymous — Sun, 06/26/2011 - 4:45pm

I do agree with the above statement that the words Jesus, Christ, or God were used in the Declaration, but my agreement ends there. In the Declaration, the word Creator is stated, saying that our Creator presented us with these certain inalienable rights. Also about your comment of committing "cruel" acts to children. Your comparison is faulty. Comparing the acts of forcefully removing a girl's sex organs to saying "Under God" in the classroom is ludicrous. Should the vast majority of people bend their backs for the minority if the minority is in no way being physically harmed? I do also agree that the Pledge should not be forced to say, but disagree with removing "under God." After all, the Declaration states that our rights are given to us by a "Creator", to which most refer as God. Also the Declaration is not enforcing any one religion as many religions believe in some form of God. Also you do not know your Constitution as the First Amendment states that the government cannot establish an official religion. Just because the Pledge says "God" in it does not mean that it is trying to force people into Christianity.

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I forgot to mention this

Freed by Reason (not verified) — Fri, 06/18/2010 - 1:06pm

Look up "anthropocentric" and you will find this:

–adjective
1.
regarding the human being as the central fact of the universe.
2.
assuming human beings to be the final aim and end of the universe.
3.
viewing and interpreting everything in terms of human experience and values.

Need I mention that most, if not all, religions preach the belief that a god or gods created everything for the express purpose of providing a home for the people who worship them? This woman is not anthropocentric, you are, and I highly suggest you look up words before you use them in an attempt to sound intelligent.

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